A Jew-Savvy Racialist’s Midwinter Ramble

I have to admit – I never saw it coming.

by Val Koinen
February 5, 2011

Oh, I have long been racially aware, having been exposed to Negroes and their characteristics and behavior starting at age 11. So I have been something of a race realist ever since I was a boy. And I have long known we had a serious and seriously threatening race problem in America, and that we were not doing the right things to manage that problem and to correct earlier mistakes. That in fact we were making things worse, year after year.

But for most of my adult life, even well past middle-age, I didn’t really, completely appreciate the Jewish problem and the nature of Jews and Jewish perfidy (involving the “complicit and culpable” Jews as I frequently refer to them). And I sure as hell never thought that in one man’s lifetime – my own lifetime –I would witness the downfall and impending destruction of Western Civilization. In my wildest nightmares, I never would have imagined I would bear witness to the near-total dispossession of my people, and especially, of White men. I would never have believed I would live to see us so far along the way to being genocided out of existence, even in our traditional White homelands and particularly in America.

I’m afraid that very few of our people – and even a surprisingly small portion of racially aware and Jew-wise people (so-called “White Nationalist” types) – are fully aware of just how dire our situation is. Very few are aware that we Whites are under full assault – under siege – in a one-sided anti-White state of war, and that we are on the verge of becoming completely dispossessed and defeated. And that our virtual extinction will soon follow.

That, I’m sorry to say, is my “State-of-the-Race Assessment” for 2011. And it’s not just a load of B.S. as was so much of Obama’s recent State of the Union Address. We Whites are truly in dire straits with regard to our natural progression as a people and our very survival as a subspecies of humanity – as the most advanced, talented, achieving, and civilized race the world has ever known.

And yes, the situation surely has gotten much worse even in just the past few months. Things are literally “unraveling” right before our eyes. It’s as though things are now going from bad to worse at an ever-increasing rate; as though we have entered the end-game; as though the Jews are now “moving in for the kill” – getting ready to finally dispense with us Whites as a cohesive racial group; one that has some viability for survival.

Come take a little tour with me. Let’s have a look at just a few of the insanities – situations and occurrences – we Whites, even though we are still the majority race, are being exposed to these days in what should, still and rightly, be “our America”:

We go to the polls and elect a done-nothing, anti-White Marxist; likely illegal (non-natural-born citizen?) Halfrican of mostly unknown background to the office of President of these United States. And then we watch as he in turn appoints a gaggle of non-White, female, Jewish, and homosexual Supremes and other judges, cabinet members, and bureaucrat executives and managers, including a blatantly anti-White Negro Attorney General.

Our TV shows are crammed full of Negroes and other non-Whites portrayed as essential elements of our White society; and in totally unrealistic and ridiculously contrived positions of superiority and as the most wise, thoughtful, and caring characters (while Whites are so often and almost exclusively portrayed as the flunkies, stupid and backward individuals; villains, perps and criminals). TV commercials and print ads are filled with Negroes and mestizos, often paired with our White women.

On the evening network television news, two of three anchors are now women – known politically-correct, liberal, “anti-racist” (= anti-White) women.

Sports on television and in overblown newspaper sections are of course almost entirely dedicated to what can only be called Negro hero-worship.

Our kids’ entertainment and cultural fare have to an appalling degree been negrified, jewified, sexualized and soft-porned, dumbed down, and otherwise savaged and animalized.

Our public school coursework (teaching) and textbooks are full of Jew lies. Our young people’s college educations are perverted by Jewish and Jew-influenced professors and instructors.

We are constantly deluged by Jewish academics’ lies; Jewish think-tank and political activist group lies; Jew columnists’ lies; Jew talk-show host and guest lies; talk-show Negro glorification and anti-White babble; Jew internet bloggers’ lies; lies of religious clergy of all stripes and all manner of church spokespeople; government official and bureaucrats’ lies; mainstream media news report lies and omissions; and on and on ad nauseam.

We are drowning in a sea of non-White immigrants, both quasi-legal and illegal. Ever larger parts of our once-great cities, and smaller towns and large parts of the countryside as well, have been so overtaken by comparatively uncivilized, even savage non-Whites that they have become dangerous no-go areas for White people.

We are constantly bombarded with, and virtually paralyzed by, all the deadly lies of “political correctness;” the supposed virtues of multi-culturalism; the delusional beauty of diversity (and even race mixing); and the supposed benefits of universal altruism, the welfare state, and egalitarianism. For example, we are told that racial “diversity is our strength” when in fact just the opposite is true — it is deadly and is leading to our demise. Racially diverse and multicultural societies are, in fact, just naturally less cohesive and cooperative, are more divisive and distressed, and are characterized by strife, stress, distrust, and mutual suspicions. And those are just a sampling of the kinds of socially dysfunctional characteristice that will prevail more and more along the way to our extinction.

At the beginning of each year we are forced to suffer through the dual abominations of “Martin Luther King Day” and “Black History Month” (six weeks of N—-r worship); topped off by a continual diet of force-fed “Holocaust” indoctrination and remembrance later in the spring – all of which are disgusting and demeaning assaults on our White sensibilities, and all of which are founded on lies. (Although I will say, the MLK-Day media hype seemed to be a little subdued this year compared with recent years past – a promising sign that people are getting tired of that garbage?)

With regard to the MLK-Day travesty – one thing that has always bothered me to no end is how those who promoted that disgusting, anti-White and anti-American official federal holiday had the gall (the chutzpah), at essentially the same time, to get his voluminous FBI file sealed for 50 years. Can you believe that? Here we relegate our truly great founders and early-day White presidents to a shared holiday in order to make room on the calendar so we can venerate this black, anti-White racist, plagiarist, whore-monger communist; and then we deliberately seal his dark and subversive record so most of the people of America won’t know his true history so they can’t raise hell about it. That’s just B.S.! We should never have done that; we should never have allowed it to be done. We should demand full disclosure of those files, now! And then, we should throw that monstrous “day of recognition” on the dung-heap where it belongs.

Day after day, we continue to suffer the hugely disproportionate crimes perpetrated by Negroes and mestizos on our people (and for that matter, all the horrible crimes they commit against their own people and everybody and everything else). And their raping and sodomizing babies. And raping and murdering our White women. And beating the crap out of White kids and old White ladies. And killing cops. Which are all things they seem to enjoy doing all the time. This preponderance of non-White criminality is so bad that it has been a significant factor in the impending bankruptcy of many cities and even states.

And then we Whites are forced to suffer hugely hypocritical racial double standards at every turn: Jews advocating brutal apartheid in their illegitimate, “shitty little country” Israel while working full tilt for integration and race mixing in America; Whites not being allowed to band together and work for White interests while all the other races are encouraged to do so; ridiculous “hate crimes” (thought crimes) put on the books but then essentially applied only to Whites (who commit far fewer crimes against the darker races than vice-versa). And if you happen to be Christian, your activities and displays of your faith – even your main holiday Christmas – are severely limited if not forbidden and outlawed while Muslims and Jews are both allowed to, if not encouraged to, publicly tout and promote and celebrate theirs.

We are letting the job-stealing, wage-reducing, disproportionately criminal (from organized gang-members to common drunk and unlicensed and uninsured drivers), welfare-prone, gringo-hating mestizo immigrant invasion continue to take over large parts of our country. And that’s just for starters – with their high birthrate, coupled with our lowered replacement rates, we are being socially and politically overwhelmed by those invaders – virtually all of whom are aliens when it comes to language, culture, heritage, habits, and social behavior (all of them, of course, being racial aliens).

The fact is, thanks mainly to the Jew media moguls, our popular culture (mainly TV, movies, magazine content, and music) has now been thoroughly Jewified and Negrified. It has pretty much gone to s–t (vulgar, crude, saturated with gratuitous sex play and sexual innuendo, and soft porn).

We are now seeing, with increasing frequency, blacks cast in starring roles as central characters in stories of White history and mythology (for example the Negro Friar Tuck in a recent production of “Robin Hood,” and a black “Thor” in that tale of Norse mythology. That should be unacceptable to all Whites, and we should let the Hollywood Jews know that by boycotting those productions and guaranteeing that they fail financially (maybe too late for that in the case of Robin Hood?).

In several of my earlier essays I have mentioned the Muslim threat to the traditional White nations of Europe. But I haven’t had much to say about their presence in America. That has to change. They are rapidly becoming a very serious threat to our culture and governance and society, right here at home. We simply must get a better handle on that situation as well.

The most recent U.S. census has shown that our non-White population percentages have sharply increased while the White population percentage has drastically declined (no surprise there). And race mixing has increased substantially. If we continue down this road, more and more of our country will begin to look like Haiti, or Mexico. If we continue to mix with non-Whites, and especially Negroes; it will degrade our genes – our bloodline. In essence, it will mongrelize us. Our people – White people – will eventually be extinguished. Whites will eventually all but disappear from the face of the earth, but before that happens America will become just another Brazil, Mexico, or Egypt. Our intelligence will be drained out of us; our abilities and creativity will be sapped. Our culture will be gone forever.

The fact is, it seems we Whites have come to expect, and even to sheepishly accept all these things. We’ve been taught to just keep bending over and taking it up the gazoo – and all too many of us have learned that lesson all too well. And guess who our teachers have been? Yep, it’s the “complicit and culpable” Jews again, through their control of and disproportionate influence in the media and entertainment, the government, and the public education system. In fact we’ve been so brainwashed so long and so thoroughly by Jews, with the help of liberal, politically correct White dupes and race traitors, that I’m afraid we no longer have it in us to resist, to compete, to be tough and even mean (about the right things) when required; or to even want to survive. I know – that’s sick, and insane – but it’s the truth.

I have to tell you – I for one am getting damned sick and tired of all the lies. And of all this politically correct and “anti-racist” (anti-White) crap. Even to the point of being condemned for being an evil “racist” for simply criticizing our most likely illegitimate and certifiably incompetent and communistic President Obama (horror of all horrors). Simply for standing up for our own people; for our own interests. And being called a Nazi, and being smeared with the mother of all “hater” labels – “anti-semite” – for saying anything at all critical of Jews or Israel (or for that matter, for even saying the word “Jew” in many circumstances). Or for even just questioning details of the “Holocaust.”

Please read the rest of this great essay at Koinen’s corner

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317 Responses to A Jew-Savvy Racialist’s Midwinter Ramble

  1. frank cancroak says:

    Oy vay-you goy cattle, if you would just lower all your standards.
    reduce yourselves to the low demonic level of us jews.
    We have tried to seduce you to embrace our Jewish sociopathic mentality.
    We print freely money from nothing at our banks. We make it difficult for non-jews to obtain. We jews 0nly hope that in your struggle for survival-you will be forced to partake in criminal evil like us jews.
    We make it difficult for goy to acquire some money to survive; we keep you in an endless struggle to survive-while we hoard all the wealth keeping from you-after taking it from you.
    We jews try to give you jew role models-to aspire to, to emulate-bloodthirsty heroes, of jew entertainment-who are good-because they do all their bloodthirsty violence-in the name of revenge.
    We have turned Christ into a jew and Christianity into judism.
    We have re written history with ourselves (devils that we are) as the victims.
    We have turned your savior Hitler into the most hated person in history.
    Just work with us jews-we just want to make your lives a living hell,
    That is what sociopaths like to do-we cannot help it, and it is so easy to blame you and everyone else that we torture-that it is their fault not ours that we torture them.
    Just believe out jew lies-that is all we ask. Do not ever believe the truth about us.
    All we want is to lower your numbers to a manageable few that we can turn into our slaves.
    We have nothing to lose-jews have no souls.
    That is all we jews want-for you to sell your destroy your own souls and join us
    in eternal Hell.
    Oy vey-mashugana-goy.
    God does not exist; there is no afterlife or judgment.
    Just worship the jews-worship satan.
    Just worry about getting money-God will not give you money.
    Worship money not God.
    The money belongs to us jews-we just print it. Worship the jews- Gefilte fish, blood gore death torture, and your own slavery -under world domination by subhuman demonic creatures from hell.
    Is that too much to ask?
    What else do you want-more of our false flag operations?
    We were planning to do that anyway.

  2. Biker says:

    yes it is Hmart, all part of fire-proofing. the ceiling tiles, the carpet, the drywall… all fire proof or at least retardant. everything but the damn furniture. jet fuel burns hot enough, AT FLASH. but not nearly long enough. if what you say is possible, a cutting torch, instead of an Oxygen/Acetelene flame, would need only a few minutes of jet fuel to get the job done. heat treating? just soak it in jet fuel, pull it out, light it, and let it burn out… not for too long though! 2 minutes MAX! otherwise your steel will disentigrate!

    wow. what about re-bar? there hasnt been a ‘concrete’ structure built without it in the U.S. since FDR was president. yes, WTC’s 1 and 2 were full of it, millions of tons of it. explain how the rebar melted WHITHIN the concrete, allowing it to collapse? it didnt.

    explain why police and fire/rescue reported hearing a series of explosions in the basements of BOTH towers, before collapse?

    wow. dont answer. im done, again.

  3. HMart says:

    The only videos of the collapses with sound do
    not have any explosive sounds. In this video, one can hear people talking and
    the sound of the collapse. In videos of actual demolitions the explosive charges are at
    least ten times louder than collapse sounds. Compare:

    to these actual demolitions:


    This evidence directly strongly contradicts the controlled demolition theory, at least by conventional means. I don’t say the witness testimonies should not be taken seriously, even if it is only a significant minority of observers. Of course, there are many explanations to electric flashes/fires/cars exploding?er vehicles lights, etc.. The weight of evidence clearly cuts against the conspiracy on this point, anyway. As I see it, only a distinct minority puts much weight on that point.

    And, I appreciate that your response was basically fair. Obviously, thermal insulation is applied to steel structural components because it is a well known risk that steel (despite its impressive characteristics) will soften and can fail in response to high heat. So, the idea that this is a ridiculous claim is, itself, ridiculous, as known to anyone in or close to the field. The time-frame of the heating is a more sophisticated response. You have gone beyond many in the conspiracy believing community – there is some seriously ignorant stuff out there.

  4. Biker says:

    check yourself. “soften and fail” say it again short-bus, ” SOFTEN AND FAIL” not break, collapse, or cave in upon itself.. ONE MORE TIME! SOFTEN (steel doesnt fucking SOFTEN dipshit! it becomes malleable! ‘soften’ implies liquification, the heat for which burning office flotsam cannot possibly generate) tell me wise one, how a basically steel structure can possibly collapse upon itself? there ARE indeed ignorant thoughts and ideas out there, mostly proported by those such as yourself Hmart.

    “insulated because its known to fail… ” or whatever the horseshit you typed, lookey here, building code requires that the fucking SPRINKLER SYSTEMS BE FIRE PROOF! everything! including fire suppression systems, is to be fire resistant, or fireproof.

    steel doesnt ‘break’ ‘shear’ or ‘fail’ under heat. it sags, it droops, it only LOSES RIGIDITY. you can build a skeleton steel structure a mile high! heat the gaddam thing to the temperature of the SUN, and it WILL NOT fall straight down. absolutely NOT. talk all you want, use HUGE words! and it wont matter, you’re full of shit, and we both know it.

  5. Biker says:

    or maybe we should talk about the Pentagon? the lack of bodies, or even luggage at the ‘crash site’ ? or maybe how NORAD missed FOUR (4) huge, slow, passenger aircraft on 9/11? a P-51 Mustang could outfly a loaded 747! but this absolutely dick in the dirt confused NORAD! ? yeah, seriously ignorant stuff indeed, your move pole smoker.

  6. Biker says:

    i found a video to support my claims!



  7. Biker says:

    that vid didnt really belong here, but HEY! spin a chicken, and you can be forgiven for knocking down the WTC’s !

  8. Bailey says:

    Man, i can’t even finish watching that video, domestic terrorism should start right there but domestic terrorism, if it does exist is brought upon us by the same jews i’d like to see smoked.
    Otherwise, Hollywood would have been nuked long ago, same for Beverly Hills and any other Jew Haven.
    The fuckers are everywhere, destroying everything.

  9. Marshall says:


    Q.) Why is it that pretty much every Hymiewood movie features gratuitous violence, depraved sexual practices, and every other form of perversion you could possibly imagine?

    A.) Because that’s what Jews are into.

    Don’t forget the obligatory “car chase” scene LMAO!!!


  10. Bailey says:

    A way to live out their twisted fantasies.

    Car chases?


    This aint that digital hollywood garbage.

  11. HMart says:

    Diker – I’m fine with malleable. My point has been made. As for the Pentagaon:

    “Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. “It was absolutely a plane, and I’ll tell you why,” says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. “I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.” Kilsheimer’s eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: “I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?” ”

    From what I have reviewed here, as well as the conspiracy sites (ongoing), the most prominent feature of conspiracy believers is that they cannot (or, will not) correctly state NIST’s position.

    The hi-jackers turned off the plane’s transponders, making for something of a needle in a haystack problem. NORAD was not geared (at that time) towards the idea of a domestic flight being threatening, the paradigm was focused on external threats. It is well-documented that the ATC made 3 calls to NORAD, and that fighter jets were quickly scrambled (Otis, and Langley). They never got close to the hi-jacked planes. Name me one example of a successful intercept of a US civilian flight in the last 20 years?

    I’m trying to stop you guys from sounding like Rosie O’Donnell and Charlie Sheen – not sure what is so persuasive about them when you look at the facts.

  12. Biker says:

    being a MOPAR guy, im partial to this one Bailey, although i HATE to see a movie where they destroy yet ANOTHER Charger, they dont make them anymore dipshitz! and IMHO there was never a better looking car, before or since. had a Black ’68. 440 4 gear. it was fuckin INSANE. ignorant fast, couldnt keep tires on it or gas in it. every single stop sign or light demanded a set of posi strips to the next light. being 17, i had that car doing tricks the Duke boys wouldnt try lol

  13. Biker says:

    steel does not collapse straight the fuck down pekkerhead. when has a civillian flight been successfully intercepted? ha! planes are hitting buildings, and not simultaneously. you would think that after the first, second, and third, and the time from first to fourth….bullshit. and what about Shanksville?

  14. White Wolf says:

    Hmart likes aiding and abetting the cover-up of the 911 crime. Hmart figures he’ll somehow resuscitate all the tired old lies millions have been THROUGH AND OVER for QUITE AWHILE NOW. Perhaps at the very least, Hmart hopes to instill doubt and confusion in the minds of what latecomers may arrive. Hmart is welcome to defend the criminals when they have a trial, if they get a trial. Hopefully, Hmart will be there aiding and abetting those criminals in defending their pathetic lies when the time comes. Or is this Hmart’s last-gasp one-last-try effort before taking flight back to Israel? Do the criminals realize that the more they try to cover it all up, the more folks are able to readily determine their guilt???

    Anybody can honestly discern the mountains of evidence exposing the 911 jew lie for themselves. The body of evidence is overwhelming. If Hmart can’t (won’t) honestly discern the entire body of evidence, that’s his little (big) problem.

  15. Biker says:

    and here:

  16. Biker says:

    one more!

  17. Biker says:

    and finally!


    im an Ironworker Hmart, i come from a long line of ironworkers/welders/blacksmiths. i know my trade, i know iron and steel, and i know the events of 9/11/2001 in NYC are definately suspect. anything is after all possible, one time. two buildings, side by side, simultaneously defying everything i and thousands of others know to be possible? impossible. but dont argue with me..im dont arguing with you lol. look up some of the police, firemen, and ironworkers in the vids ive posted above… people that were fuckin THERE, and call them conspiracy nuts, liars, or just plain wrong… i dare ya.

  18. Biker says:

    agreed White Wolf, im done with Hmart also. its like reading to helen keller, and exercise in futility. who DOESNT question the events of 9/11?!?! Hmart and the government of the JEW S A.

  19. GTRman says:

    Marsh , I cannot and never have been able to stand “the car chase” scene. I noticed another cliche recently. ( Originally posted at Akira)

    “Have you noticed that hollywood movies have gone to a place way past “formulaic” ? Every scene , every structure , every bit of dialogue is now just recycled. One could make an amusing movie just using bits of other movies chopped together , much as you could chop together all 3 popular Brit soaps and no-one would be any the wiser.

    I recently identified a movie cliche that I hadnt noticed before.
    I call it “Fixin Eggs “. Its a lazy default setting that always follows on from a previous evening : Cut to protagonist / mom / hot new lover wearing guys shirt / etc , in kitchen , frying or scrambling eggs. Or , as they say , “fixin’”.

    Accompanying dialogue will be along the lines of :

    “Hey – Im just fixin’ some eggs -you want some?”
    “Hey – arent ya gonna eat? You should eat..I fixed some eggs ”
    ” You didnt eat your eggs” , etc.

    No-one ever eats their eggs.

  20. HMart says:

    In a vacuum, steel and other materials collapse straight down, indeed, at a constant rate, so I have to interpret your remark as other than literal. Your remark proves what I have said before, that conspiracy buffs cannot accurately state NIST’s position, and I am not speaking of the vulgarity. I would also use your posts to illustrate my point – when you consider the strained view of Flight 93, the debate is really over for you at that point, isn’t it?

    You share community with engineering experts like Rosie O’Donnell and Charlie Sheen and Ed Asner and Michael Moore. The majority in the civil engineering community generally accepts the official accounts. Bažant, Zden?k P.; Verdure, Mathieu (March 2007). “Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building Demolitions”. Journal of Engineering Mechanics 133 (3): 308–319. doi:10.1061/(ASCE)0733-9399(2007)133:3(308). Archived from the original on 2007-08-09. http://web.archive.org/web/20070809030224/http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/466.pdf. Retrieved 2007-08-22. “As generally accepted by the community of specialists in structural mechanics and structural engineering (though not by a few outsiders claiming a conspiracy with planted explosives), the failure scenario was as follows …”.

    You believe in a super-competent government able to conceal the greatest hoax in history, in the most challenging time to do so (the internet/media age), I do not. You believe that there are Jews of even greater skill and intelligence to perpetutate this, and yet, they are an inferior race??

    Frankly, if you haven’t viewed NIST’s photographs, you have no business speaking on the issue.

  21. Biker says:

    ha! fixin eggs… sleepy eyed, touseled hair, circumstance and innuendo, sidways glances, half smiles… what EVER are they thinking? ooooohhh i cant wait to see what happens next!! will they stay together? (drama) or will he say something stupid and spend the rest of the movie trying to win her back? (romantic comedy) will they realize that her ex is dating his ex?!?! (uh-oh comedy! slapstick.. im thinking we cast Sandler for all male roles) or will her husband come home and catch them, tie them up in the woods and torture them? (thriller. wouldnt happen but id love to see Sandler slowly tortured) or will his kids and her kids find that they have alot in common, and they decide to move in together (Brady bunch family fun) no matter how it goes, if eggs are being made, you have already seen it.

  22. Marshall says:

    This guy is a freaking crackup!!!



  23. Biker says:

    Pearl harbor? U.S.S Liberty? the sinking of the Lusitania? Weapons of Mass Destruction? JFK and the magic bullet? Bobby Kennedy and Sirhan Sirhan? Air America and the CIA dealing drugs? Vietnam and the gulf of tonkin? no Hmart, its never happened before. we have never been lied to, or murdered wholesale to push an agenda.

    while i dont follow Rosie or Oprah lol, you seem to swallow the neocohen line to the tip of the pole. “in the age of the internet and computers” whatever ‘age’ we are in, what the government has is bigger, better, stronger, smarter, faster, and they have warehouses full of whatever ‘it’ is, a sattelite that can read your license plate? beats the hell out of my 12×50 binocs! even something as simple as velcro! NASA had it YEARS before it ever saw a pair of cheap tennis shoes. so.. you have proven MY point. “in the age of the internet…” yep! and they are Way ahead of us.

    “Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building Demolitions”. meaning, lets take the WTC collapse AS FACT, and see what we can learn from it. hahaha! yeah, what does this prove? “since we KNOW that the sun revolves around the Earth…lets study this, and write something on it.” wow, you call this science?

  24. INCOG MAN says:

    HMART: “In a vacuum, steel and other materials collapse straight down, indeed, at a constant rate, …”

    Total BS right there. A vacuum (pertaining to a space with few molecules) has ZERO to do with collapse mechanisms. It’s gravity versus the whatever holding things up. The constant rate is called “terminal velocity” and is the same for everything on the planet, whatever the weight. The “jumpers” hit the concrete at about 124 MPH (depending on what kind of clothing they had on and the surface area of their bodies).

    If you dropped a ball off WTC7 it would have hit the pavement in about 6 or 7 seconds. Funny thing: It only took something like 8 seconds for the entire 47 story building to fall straight down. Easy to do if you knew what supports to take out so gravity would handle the rest.

    Same thing for WTC 1&2.

    Also, note that many top-notch engineers have serious doubts. Go to my 9/11 links on the left, people.

  25. Marshall says:

    HMart!!! I thought you had decided not to grace us again with your omnipotent presence, but I was obviously mistaken. Interesting post about steel collapsing in a vacuum, because that happens all the time.

    I even bet that you, Hmart, have your very own vacuum chamber the size of lower Manhattan, with which you have conducted such experiments. I salute you sir. Perhaps you can also explain at precisely what temperature your precious “magic jet fuel” burns in a vacuum. That would be quite impressive as well, but until then…let’s make some money renting out your chamber to NASA. They have lots of cash now since they aren’t running space shuttles anymore. We are already aware that the government is no stranger to throwing money into a vacuum, as is evidenced by our perpetual foreign aid to Israel. Get that cash while you can Hmart!!!

  26. Biker says:

    love this one, they had to put skinny tires, and a restrictive air cleaner on the Charger, because it SMOKED the Mustang so badly! look it up! bullitt.

  27. Flanders says:

    I’m getting a little off-topic from what has been discussed, but I just happened across this posting with some information that I don’t remember having heard about before.

    “January 12, 2000: Eleven Israeli nationals impersonating “muslim preachers” were detained on a flight from India as suspected hijackers”


    “The 11 Israeli nationals were supposedly “Islamic preachers.” Under intense pressure from Tel Aviv, Indian authorities released the eleven men back to Israel. Indian intelligence officials believed these men appeared to be on a Mossad mission, as Israel is known to use agents to “infiltrate muslims terrorist networks.”

  28. HMart says:

    Not sure how my comments could be understood to mean anything about the existence, in fact, of a vacuum condition. I did enjoy Marshall’s take on government spending, especially since I raised the issue of the implausibility of governmental super-competence. The point is not that government’s never lie, even our own, its just that they are not very good at it, nor at keeping secrets (Wikileaks, Iran-Contra, Stealth technology, etc.). Anyway, on the science:

    The constant rate is called “terminal velocity” and is the same for everything on the planet, whatever the weight. The “jumpers” hit the concrete at about 124 MPH (depending on what kind of clothing they had on and the surface area of their bodies).

    This is an easy one, no big words or math required. Watch any video of WTC1 and 2 collapse. If you don’t see debris falling that outpaces the building’s collapse itself by 20 plus stories, then you are intellectually dishonest or blind. Certainly, some of you realize the implications.

    Incog – I’m not simply dismissing as loonies all of the architects and engineer contrarians you mentioned, simply because they are a minority. But, a minority, they are. I just suggest you apply that spirit of skepticism to their theories as well. Just as WTC1 and 2’s collapses are observably different from a conventional, controlled demolition to even a slightly trained eye, I can see why WTC7 videos (from the most common video vantage point) raise legitimate questions for people. Were it not for credible observations on the other side of the building, I might be a skeptic myself.

  29. Count Cherep says:

    Here’s a very interesting website:

    911 Research

    Check out JACK WHITE’S 911 PHOTO STUDIES of the Pentagon and the World Trade Center on that site. It will take a while to get through them, so here’s a teaser to start with:

    The Pentagon’s indestructible lawn:

    Jack White questions not only the official version of the events of 9/11, but the official photographs of the Pentagon. He provides proof that no airliner hit the Pentagon. He does not dispute the fact that planes hit the Twin Towers, but he provides evidence that the resulting brief fires were not the cause of their collapse. He provides photos of the huge crater caused by an explosion in Building 6, which not caused by debris from the Towers. He also provides information about Building 7.

    “General Introduction

    Jack White BA has been a professional photographer for more than fifty years. White’s specialty is photoanalysis. In these 9/11 photo studies, Jack White investigates the provenance of the images. He considers the trustworthiness of the pictures and examines in considerable detail the record of events.

    So far, few researchers have questioned the authenticity of any official 9/11 photograph. White’s studies scrutinize the available material.

    The main aim of this collection of studies is to demonstrate that the true provenance of the imagery, like much 9/11 “evidence”, cannot be relied upon at face value as it exists, and such photos should not be used as proof of anything until authentication.

    If even one faked “official” image can be proven, all official photos become suspect. One may wish to ask several further questions:

    a) Were the events of 9/11 staged as a New Pearl Harbor – a horrific propaganda event to justify the US conducting invasions and going to war?
    b) Were photographs posed or fabricated as powerful propaganda tools?
    c) Were persons in power responsible for the 9/11 atrocities?
    If citizens of the United States and elsewhere cannot trust the official photographs and imagery of 9/11, why should anyone trust the official account?

    Decide these answers for yourself after viewing White’s studies along with the articles and video links.”

    There is plenty of evidence that the official version of the events of 9/11 is a lie. That evidence can not be refuted with sophistry and talmudic disputation.

  30. Count Cherep says:

    Erratum for my comment above: “He provides photos of the huge crater caused by an explosion in Building 6, which not caused by debris from the Towers.” should read “He provides photos of the huge crater caused by an explosion in Building 6, which was not caused by debris from the Towers.”

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