American Media In The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict


By Jayne Gardener

Following a war between Israel and the countries of Syria, Jordan and Egypt in 1967, Israel established a military occupation of the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem.

That same year, United Nations Security Council passed Resolution 242 calling upon the State of Israel to withdraw. To date, Israel has yet to comply.

Millions of Palestinian Arabs live under a brutal, oppressive military occupation while the everyday lives of both Palestinians and Israelis are plagued with violence and insecurity. Palestinian people react to the oppression within the limited means of resistance at their disposal bringing upon themselves the full weight of Israel’s military arsenal. While there have been many casualties on both sides, the number of dead Palestinians, including children, far outweighs any loss of life on the opposing side.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict dominates the news media in the United States when it comes to coverage of foreign affairs. But does the mostly Jewish-owned corporate media reflect the truth of the situation? Or are we being given biased coverage that is failing to reflect the stark and extremely harsh reality of the tremendous human suffering created by the ongoing situation?

Watch this short video that aptly describes the Jew efforts to keep Americans in the dark [INCOG].

The veracity of the matter is that Israel has created an extremely brutal and violent military occupation in the territories, bringing about a situation that makes any semblance of a decent life virtually impossible for the Palestinian people. The occupied territories have almost no economy with a 65% unemployment rate and 75% of the population living below the poverty line.

Often their communities are surrounded by Israeli tanks which makes going about the activities of daily living next to impossible. Their roads are totally under Israeli control with hundreds of checkpoints where you may be denied permission to travel even with the correct documentation.

Their crops are often bulldozed into oblivion, their irrigation piping vandelized and they face endless curfews where they are unable to leave their homes to work, go to school, visit a neighbor, shop for food or medical necessities or to even access medical care. To be a Palestinian in the occupied territories is akin to being an inmate in a huge maximum security prison with precious little hope of parole or pardon.

The Palestinian people are often detained, tortured and subjected to horrendous human rights violations by the Israeli Defense Forces including the wanton destruction of homes, sometimes with family members inside, blocking of ambulances and denial of humanitarian assistance as well as the use of Palestinians as human shields for the IDF, all of which have been labeled war crimes by Amnesty International and other human rights watchdog organizations.

Pregnant Arab women are frequently unable to avail themselves of medical assistance when giving birth and often have to watch their babies die while waiting at Israeli checkpoints to access help.

The majority of Americans have no clear understanding of just how horrific the conditions are under which the Palestinians live on a day to day basis and this is because of the journalistic void in the coverage of the conflict. There is a dearth of reporting when it comes to the egregious treatment of the Palestinian people as well as a glaring lack of analysis.

The American media controls the lexicon when it comes to explaining the conflict while Israeli wages a public relations campaign in the United States, more or less occupying the American media ideologically.

Israel’s rigorous public relations campaign really started in the early 1980s with the invasion of Lebanon that eventually earned Israel world-wide criticism and condemnation. In retrospect, it would seem that Israel was more concerned with her public image and the world’s perception of her than she was about the almost 20,000 Lebanese civilians killed over a three month period, including those killed at the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps.

As a result, Israel set up permanent institutional structures to rehabilitate and guard the public perception of her, including what was called the Hasbara project, also known as the Israeli Citizens Information Council whose activities include:

1. Training speakers and organizing speaking engagements and media appearances abroad.
2. Hosting visiting groups from abroad.
3. Providing assistance and guidance for individual and groups involved in hasbara and advocacy campaigns.
4. Encouraging participation in media “watch” groups.
5. Providing a resource to the foreign media outlets for Israeli grass-root opinion and experience.
6. Supporting the activities of student groups advocating pro-democracy, human rights and anti-terror messages.
7. Forming liaisons with individuals, communities and public officials overseas through e-mail and personal contact.
8. Providing information and “alerts” to support the above activities through our website,

The ICIC engages in these activities through liaison with communities outside of Israel. Our goal is to provide diversity to official Israeli government positions by using citizens from all walks of life and political persuasions. Our “citizen diplomacy” allows the presentation of mainstream Israeli thinking as represented by the grass roots. ICIC speakers are academicians, professionals and community activists who can provide communities with an authentic voice reflecting the mainstream in Israeli opinion. (source:

As part of this process, trained press officers are put into American Consulates for whom the Israeli press office provides ready-made stories which are also given to American journalists in Israel who are reporting on the conflict. This way, Israel completely controls what information about the conflict is disseminated to the world.

Israel has in place many filters through which news must pass before it is given to the American public either in their newspapers, periodicals or on television.

The first filter is the owners of American media firms who are, as we know, predominately Jewish. Next come the political elites who work hand in hand with the media outlets, an almost incestuous relationship in many respects. The third filter is the large and prestigious American public relations firms which are hired to put a positive (read Israel friendly) spin on any news concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Also part of the chain of command in Israel’s public relations campaign are the Israeli consulates in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco and Washington, D.C. who monitor coverage of the conflict to make sure that the correct pro-Israel emphasis is in place before it is put into the hands of journalists covering middle eastern news.

On top of all of this, there are American grassroots organizations (both Christian and Jewish) which stand in direct opposition to any news that might be considered unfavorable to Israel. There are quite a few of these, the most important of which is the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) which is unarguably the most powerful foreign lobby in America. Those organizations who dare to oppose Israeli government policy such as Jews Against The Occupation or Americans For Peace Now will never get their voices heard because they will never make it past the Israeli public relations filters put in place.

If that weren’t enough, there are also several media watchdog organizations that keep a watchful eye out for anything that might appear in the media that criticizes or condemns Israel. This would include the Anti-Defamation League and Palestinian Media Watch among others, the most important being CAMERA, or the Committee For Accuracy In Middle East Reporting In America.

With all of these organizations standing at the gate to monitor all news concerning Israel, the voices for the Palestinians are essentially silenced and Americans never hear the truth of what is taking place in the occupied territories. Journalists who dare to cross the line and report news that is unfavorable to Israel will often find themselves and their editors harassed and/or fired and their newspapers or media outlets boycotted.

Strangely enough, it is the American media that is the worst as far as being biased and one-sided in their reporting of the Palestinian crisis. The BBC has been known to give more fair and balanced coverage of the issue and even Israeli outlets like Ha’aretz cover the conflict more accurately than American news organizations which only serves to illustrate just how “owned” the American media is.

There are many ways in which the American news reports slant the coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in Israel’s favor, often using both commission and ommission to distort the facts and paint a false or at least skewed picture of the crisis.

One way would be by failing to put the entire situation in the context of a foreign occupation. The Palestinians are seen as the instigators of violence rather than as a desperate people lashing out against tyranny and an oppressive occupation by a foreign power. This military occupation can claim no international legitimacy and has been the subject of numerous UN resolutions. In essence, the Israeli defense forces, having occupied the land, uses extreme and brutal military force against a largely unarmed population who are simply reacting to the cruel and repressive treatment.

According to Fairness And Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) for the year 2001, only 4% of American television network reports on the conflict even mention that Gaza and the West Bank are occupied. The fact is, they ARE occupied and when the residents resist, Israel claims to be “under attack” and any news coverage is worded in a way that makes it appear that Israel is doing nothing more than defending herself. How is it defense when you are responsible for a hostile military occupation? Why would you even need to defend yourself on someone elses land if you weren’t there uninvited and unwelcome?

The news media in America also frequently distorts the coverage of the conflict by failing to inform the American people that by building settlements in Gaza and the West Bank and by forcing Palestinians from their land and demolishing their homes, the Israelis are slowly accomplishing what has long been their plan, annexation of the Palestinian land into greater Israel. This long range plan has been extremely costly not only in terms of money but in terms of human misery and lives lost.

Israeli settlers build in locations that give them strategic advantage in terms of control of the area and of the natural resources, namely water. They build roads that carve up and crisscross the area and by doing so, restrict Palestinian movement. These roads also give Israelis direct and easy access to Israel itself. The settlements themselves contravene the Geneva Conventions Article 49 which states:

“The occupying power shall not transport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.”

Media tries to soften the impact of the settlements by sanitizing the language they employ when referring to them by calling them “neighborhoods” which have a much friendlier connotation than “settlements..” Much of this linguistic sleight of hand is dictated to journalists by the Israeli public relations machinery and no American journalist seemingly has the intestinal fortitude to be true to the purpose of his profession, which is, of course, to report the news.

The Israeli settlements in the occupied territories are completely illegal under international law and the Palestinians simply want all building stopped as they, rightly so, view it as a threat to their sovereignty. The American media also deliberately obscures the fact that the Israeli government actively promotes the settlements as a means of rationalizing their control of the annexed areas and as part of their strategy in the process of complete annexation.

Settlers have only added to the almost impossible conditions under which the average Palestinian lives. Many settlers have been violently aggressive towards their Palestinian neighbors, smashing their cars, vandalizing their property, burning their fields, demolishing their homes and generally stripping them of all human dignity.

Thousands of Palestinians are left homeless by demolitions and it is nearly impossible for a Palestinian to acquire a building permit. If they build without said permit, their home can be demolished and the media will portray the demolition as being necessary since the homeowner in question failed to abide by the law. Some of this land has been in Palestinian families for generations, but once it is is seized it becomes state land and they have no further claim on it. This is nothing short of a slow means by which the Israelis attempt “ethnic cleansing” against the Palestinian Arabs.

American media distorts coverage of the Palestinian crisis is by creating the perception that the violence in Israel as well as in the occupied territories happens in a vacuum with no context. Palestinians have engaged in both violent and non-violent resistance to the occupation but it is, of course, the violence which creates the headlines.

When a Palestinian suicide bomber blows himself up and kills Israeli citizens in the process, the media covers the story as though it is a random, senseless act of violence by a Palestinian who hates for no discernible reason. While I personally don’t condone terrorist acts of any stripe, I think it is important for all Americans to understand why the Palestinians engage in this type of terror tactic.

The Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories is the longest military occupation in history, lasting from 1967 to the present. In those years the Palestinian people have been victims of a ceaseless campaign of violence, oppression and tyranny. Their fundamental human rights are denied. They can be detained and tortured at will. They are kept from simple travel to carry on the activities of daily living without constant harassment. They are a frustrated and desperate people, some of whom finally reach the conclusion that guerilla warfare is their only answer.

The American media, however, never frames these suicide attacks in the context of forty-two years of oppressive military occupation and when the Palestinians have finally had enough and resort to violence themselves, the media portrays them as the aggressors and casts Israel in the light of the innocent victim who is doing nothing but defending herself from hostile attacks. When Israel does retaliate, as they always do, it creates even more anger among the Palestinian population making the recruitment of suicide bombers even easier.

The media constantly portrays the occupation as the result of Palestinian violence when the exact opposite is the truth. Headlines scream “Palestinian Hatred” while rendering a forty-two year occupation by a hostile and oppressive foreign power invisible and therefore, by default, Israeli “defense” is seen as justified. Coverage of the conflict is always couched in phrases such as “Israel reacts,” “Israel defends,” Israel retaliates” or “Israel responds” while placing total blame for any aggression on the Palestinians.

Since 9/11, the American media has also drawn the Palestinian-Israeli conflict into the fold as part of the “war on terror,” creating empathy between Israeli and American citizens when the two situations are not even the slightest bit analogous. It is not fair and balanced reporting to constantly portray the Israelis as the perpetual victim while placing total blame for the conflict on the Palestinian people.

American coverage of the Palestinian crisis determines which victims are newsworthy and what seems to be the case, at least in the minds of the media, is that Israeli victims are far more newsworthy than those who happen to be Palestinian. Israeli victims are presented in a way as to make us more empathetic towards them. We hear their names, see their pictures, are told their hopes, and dreams and aspirations, we see and hear their grieving families and our hearts are tugged on as we view scenes from their funerals.

Palestinian victims, on the other hand, are treated as just another nameless statistic. We don’t learn their names, hear about their lives or see their grieving families. They are simply numbers, despite the fact that many of them are killed in their own homes, in their own back yards or simply going about their daily business such as going to work or to school. In the minds of many Americans, Palestinian victims are just the price that must be paid for the conflict and there is no empathy, despite their innocence.

News of attacks by Palestinians against Israeli citizens is always couched in terms such as “horrible carnage,” “massacre” or other similar terms but when there are few, if any, Israeli casualties but many Palestinian victims, the media will often describe these periods as being one of “relative peace.”

Newscasters “normalize” the horror of raining missiles down on civilian populations when those missiles were deliberately chosen by the Israelis because “they do more damage.” Arab victims are dismissed or downplayed. Roadside bombs are placed in areas where children pass to go to school and often the victims are blamed for their victimization. There is an inherent injustice in using “sanitized” language that serves only to represent the Palestinian victims as somehow less than human and less deserving of our empathy and sorrow.

Corporate media in the United States serves to perpetuate the myth of American neutrality in the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. The U.S. is urged to become “more engaged” in the peace negotiations or to take more of an “active” role, etc.

However, while presenting itself as a neutral broker between the two sides, its news coverage favors Israel almost 100%. The United States has vetoed more than 33 United Nations Security Council resolutions against Israel making it impossible for any country to place sanctions against her and actively blocks diplomatic moves to handle the situation. The peace process might more aptly be called how the U.S. prevented peace.

The United States provides billions of dollars to Israel each year, much of it in military aid of the most deadly kind. If peace is the ultimate goal here, it can only be described as an abject failure.

The fact of the matter is that the U.S. wants control of all middle eastern oil not only as a source of enormous wealth but as a means of keeping its hegemony in the Middle East. With the European Union and Russia as potential competitors, controlling the oil would be a means by which to retain ultimate control.

Things have gone from bad to worse since the Neo-cons have moved onto the scene, occupying various high level government positions in the United States. With these Israel Firsters in power, it can honestly be said that “Israel is in the White House.”

For all intents and purposes, US policy is Israeli policy. As a result, the US wants to make sure that Israel can control the current situation by violence while the American media provides the diplomatic cover.

Our congress is extremely pro-Israel which goes completely unchallenged by the media. There are virtually no critical views on American middle east diplomacy in the news and no alternative viewpoints are to be found unless one searches them out on the internet. There is no criticism of US-Israeli relations and absolutely no condemnation of what Israel is doing with American weapons supplied by American taxpayers. It is, for all intents and purposes, the last taboo in American..

One only has to see press conferences being conducted on the news. Whether it is the president of the United States or the Secretary of State or whomever, they are on a first name basis with the members of the press, creating an incestuous relationship which only serves to undermine the truth.

One of the more egregious and damaging myths about the Palestinian crisis that has been ubiquitous in the American media is the belief that the Israelis have made a generous and magnanimous offer of peace to the Palestinian people which was dismissed out of hand by the Palestinians because they don’t want peace when, in reality, they were offered nothing.

The Camp David accords in 2000, for example, were meetings between Yassar Arafat, Bill Clinton and Ehud Barak. The claim was made in the media that the Palestinians were made a reasonable and perhaps even exceptionally generous offer of peace when it was an offer no Palestinian leader would ever accept on behalf of his people. It would have left them with no control of their borders, no control of their air space and no control over the only natural resource in the area, water. The Israeli roads which crisscross the territories would remain, still making it impossible for Palestinians to have free movement within their own state or to even have access to their holy sites. The peace plan also afforded no solution to the three million plus Palestinian refugees residing in camps under inhuman and degrading conditions.

The Palestinians were told they would have the right to call themselves a state, print their own stamps and have their own national anthem, but in reality, they would be only a nominal state in what was effectively part of greater Israel, which would continue to have strategic advantage in every sense.

It would allow for ongoing land expropriations, tree uprootings, accelerated settlement building and unfair water access. Palestinians often have access to clean running water for a mere two hours a week while living within view of settlers with their lush, green lawns and gardens and their full swimming pools. It was no real offer of peace in the eyes of Arafat and he had no choice but to reject it, realizing that the Palestinian people would still lose everything.

To add insult to injury, Ariel Sharon, protected by a huge number of riot police, decided to make a public spectacle by paying a visit to the Dome Of The Rock, the highest holy place for both Muslims and Jews, simply as another way for him to rub so-called Israeli superiority into the faces of the Palestinian people. They responded by hurling rocks at the police and the intifada was on. American media however, again played its role in covering up the real reasons for the Palestinian rejection of the plan and put the blame for all the resulting violence squarely on their shoulders.

Marginalizing opposing voices is another means by which the American media fails to give the American people an accurate view of what is going on in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In the year 2000, The Woman’s Peace Camp organized a march through the streets of Jerusalem involving 2000 women, all dressed in black, carrying signs in support of peace. I’m sure this is not known by most Americans since they would have no way of knowing it unless they sought out the information on the internet. It was never covered by American news agencies.

Another organization which gets no coverage by the American media is The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions where Jews and Arabs work side by side to rebuild Palestinian homes. There are many Israeli citizens who are vehemently opposed to the demolition of Palestinian homes and are willing to step up to the plate and offer assistance.

Also marginalized are the reserve Israeli combat officers who are now refusing to serve in the occupied territories. They have started a petition as follows:

“We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.”

Hundreds of IDF refuseniks have joined with them despite being called traitors by their countrymen and sometimes, in spite of being incarcerated for their refusal. Most of them agree, and rightly so, that the occupation does nothing to bring about any kind of security to Israel and they no longer wish to be part of Israeli military oppression. American Jews, including some rabbis, have been labeled “self-hating” for speaking out against the military occupation in Palestine while Christians who speak out against the situation are simply referred to in the media as anti-semites.

Eventually they will be unable to maintain the lie that speaking out against Israel’s policy towards the Palestinian people is anti-semitism, but in the meantime, it remains their most effective way of silencing dissenters. Hurling the term anti-semite or racist at someone is grossly misused as a public relations strategy, the sole purpose being to silence decent, caring people.

The American media is complicit in the crimes against the Palestinian people by the Israelis and it is clear to me at least that the biggest obstacle to peace in the middle east is not the Palestinians, it is the United States. The fight must be waged here for the minds of the American people who need to know the truth in order that they may make it known that they do not want their hard-earned tax dollars used for the horrific and inhumane treatment of the Palestinians. We have a right to know what is being done in our name and let our government know that we want no part of it.

American people are, for the most part, good people who would not support the atrocities inflicted on the Palestinians in the occupied territories and if they truly understood the anguish of the citizens of the occupied territories they would never allow it to continue unchallenged. We can change American public opinion by demanding that the American media remain true to its purpose which is to report the news, not to lie, deceive, omit and obfuscate through manipulation of the language.

An end to the occupation of the disputed territories might just result in a decent life for the Palestinian Arabs and provide more safety and security for Israeli citizens. For her part, Israel must make peace with her neighbors and a just peace with the Palestinians.

It may be the only way to stop the carnage.

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134 Responses to American Media In The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

  1. incogman says:

    “Anti-semitism is a natural reaction to Jewish behavior”

    — Theodor Herzl, father of Zionism.

  2. Marshall says:

    UN to oust Israel? PDF link…save it because the original was yanked from the UN website under some sort of “pressure” Hmm…

  3. Randall says:

    Wow. Thanks for that Marshall. One can only hope.

  4. canadian says:

    If they can’t even keep this “news” on their website, what chance do they have to actually pull it off?

  5. Northerntruthseeker says:

    I am a Canadian, and I am sickened by this “canadian”s comments….

    I am anti-zionist, anti-hate, anti-“antisemitic”, and I am for bringing criminals to justice!

    Izzy Asper’s CanWest Global is going down the tubes, but they are still pushing for their “Human Rights” museum in Winnipeg, Manitoba… It is sickening indeed!
    Their so called “Human Rights” museum will be nothing more than a terrible propaganda piece promoting Jewish/Zionists rights, and glorifying the Holocaust!

    It has made myself and others sick by the notion that millions of taxpayer dollars is being poured into that symbol of Jewish hatred against the rest of humanity. Yes, these criminals stand for their own version of hatred and racism against the rest of us, and have been using the so called Canadian “Hate Laws” as a method of stopping any outcry against them and to further their most evil agenda..

    So, “canadian”, you do not stand for all of us up here in Canada. Your comments are very vile and very deceptive. I ask that all readers of these comments to not picture all Canadians as this sick “canadian” person. There are those here in Canada that know the truth about world Zionism and its criminality and will stand with true peace loving people in the fight to expose them for the monsters they are!

  6. Randall says:

    Like I said: “Every word that comes out…”

  7. Randall says:

    Hey canadian, how do you in your ideology reconcile the fact I’d die to save innocent Jewish people and children, as much as any other “race” in this world?
    Take that as a truth, and reconcile the term “anti semitism with that description.

  8. canadian says:

    Well Randall, I’ve read your posts and it’s pretty clear that in your mind there’s just about no such thing as an “innocent” Jew. So your claims ring hollow.

  9. canadian says:

    Thank you Northerntruthseeker. I never claimed to represent all Canadians, only myself. I am reassured by your words stating that you are “anti-antisemitic”. I have selected a very few lines from your website though which make me wonder if you’re delusional or just a liar. Probably a bit of both:

    People have been duped for so long by the criminal element within the Zionist Khazarian community that they fail to understand the full scope of the criminality!

    Canada has become Zionist occupied territory

    The recent outbreak of Swine Flu is by design. To what purpose was made clear as far back as the mid 1970’s when a think tank group of Zionists and their minions gathered and decided there and then that there would have to be a massive “culling” of human beings sometime in the near future to both “save the planet” and to make the world ripe for a one world government.

    As for the Human Rights Museum, over 100 million dollars are coming from private donations. And once you get a job, then you can beef about your taxes going to support this wonderful project.

  10. Nemesys says:

    Hey Guys, this is just for fun. Enjoy:

    Sorry if this is too much bandwidth, Incogman.

    • incogman says:

      What a total IDIOT.

      He goes on about the pope saying 6 million were killed “when he should have said murdered” and then he does the exact same thing. Then he goes on about that 1919 American Hebrew magazine article by the Jew Martin Glynn, that said 6 million Jews were killed (oops, murdered) in WWI, like that had to have been real too. He doesn’t even BEGIN to question that the 6 million number is a Jewish invention in the first dam place and the article’s existence would make anyone with half a brain suspicious. Then, he has the stupidity to suggest that the next pope should be Muslim or Jewish to show diversity!

      Does this guy have oatmeal for brains or what?

      Can someone please slap that moron up side the head for me? He gives White people a bad name. What happened to Whites? Have we become this dumbed-down and spineless?

  11. Don says:

    ” Funny how you made fun of the professor for lacking testosterone when you are a prime example of some one that looks like his balls have been chopped off with a rusty butter knife.” -posted on morons youtube profile

    I think this says it all.

  12. psyn says:


    I am a Canadian, and I am sickened by this “canadian”s comments….

    Hey Northern ‘truth’ seeker, I am canadian too and you are the one who doesn’t represent canadians……alot of brave canadians fought in world war 2 against the likes of you…..and you make a mockery of that….

  13. Nemesys says:

    Incogman, and Don – I am shocked. You are not paying attention. This is satire. He KNOWS about the “6 million”. He references the issue of the 6 Million, and that the Hebes tried to float is past during WWI, and no one bought thier swill that time. The stuff about the Bible – Second Illusions. There is no such Book, fellas. Finally, he’s “sniping” at the Catholic Church, for their lack of “inclusion” cause they have only had Catholic Popes.

    Do oyu think a person who wasn’t exposed to Revisionism would have heard a word about the agitpropof the 6 Million, during WW ONE?

    You guys have had a long weekend, haven’t you?

    This is SATIRE – so it doesn’t get pulled of of JooTube. Trust me.

  14. Nemesys says:

    Guys – I’m a fan of that site. Please – TRUST me on this one.

  15. Nemesys says:

    You pulled it? You are doing him a grave injustice.

  16. Nemesys says:

    Incogman – you have my real Email. I’d be happy to fill you in on the backstory. Orion and I have been corresponding FYI. I’ve bene filling him in on the Shenandoah sotry. Paul’s video is satire. I know that for fact.

  17. squarepegroundhole says:

    Incogman, I know you are busy, but if you can please check this out.
    Brendan O’Connell’s Suppressed Videos

    check out O’Conell Gaza Protest Part 2

    I would be interested in your comments

    Thanks !

  18. squarepegroundhole says:

    That part 2 is straight between the eyes ! IMHO It’s too bad you have to be so far up the curve to comprehend the POWER of his statements…WOW

  19. psyn says:

    “What a total IDIOT.

    He goes on about the pope saying 6 million were killed “when he should have said murdered” and then he does the exact same thing. Then he goes on about that 1919 American Hebrew magazine article by the Jew Martin Glynn, that said 6 million Jews were killed (oops, murdered) in WWI, like that had to have been real too. He doesn’t even BEGIN to question that the 6 million number is a Jewish invention in the first dam place and the article’s existence would make anyone with half a brain suspicious. Then, he has the stupidity to suggest that the next pope should be Muslim or Jewish to show diversity!

    Does this guy have oatmeal for brains or what?

    Can someone please slap that moron up side the head for me? He gives White people a bad name. What happened to Whites? Have we become this dumbed-down and spineless?”

    Looks like you got caught again, incognant, in another neo nazi lie.
    Granted this person is not very bright. He has a poor command of the facts and little knowledge of history. He makes some rather bigoted comments about germans as well, for example he implies that germans are racist and not to be trusted because of their ‘genes’. Come to think of it though, that sounds kind of familar to what can be found on sites such as yours, where jews are seen as being evil just because they are jews.
    It looks like you have found your mirror image, not too pretty is it?

    On to the article in question:
    No claim is made in this article about 6 million jews being killed during world
    war one. It talks about the fate of some 6 million jews in the aftermath of world war 1. The article speaks of the killings of ‘thousands’ in the Ukraine.
    Based on what you said incognant, you seem to believe that the article states that 6 million were killed. A straight reading indicates otherwise. Of course, knowing how you neo nazi types reason, you use the existance of the 6 milliion figure as ‘proof’ of a conspiracy by jews. And you call my posts lame. BTW, I got this information off one of the neo nazi sites you plagerize your ideas from so you cannot claim that I am using a ‘jewish source’

    You also claim this person was a jew, when in fact according to this link he was in fact the first roman catholic governor of NY state. See the first footnote at the bottem of the article.

    • incogman says:

      Oh bullshit. CODAH, a neonazi site? You call anything neonazi. Besides, there are a multitude of Jewish documents beside that one on the Jews talking about 6 million killed or “sufferink.” Glynn being a Roman Catholic? Of course, just like they say Paul Volcker is Methodist here, but brag about his Jewry in Israel. Or Glynn is sucking up to the Big Jew money people for some campaign dineros by letting them use his name.

      And it sounds to me like you pretty much believed the video by your accusations of his lack of intelligence. Which is it? Satire or stupidity? At least I commented and left it there when Nemesys corrected me. You made no previous post. You are such the intellect.

      What, do you sit by the computer and wait for anything I say just so you can get your jollies with a “gotcha” moment? I’m flattered.

      • incogman says:


        New York Times, May 7, 1920: “Jewish war sufferers in Central and Eastern Europe, where six millions face horrifying conditions of famine, disease and death.”

        New York Times, May 5, 1920, p. 9: “…To save six million men and women in Eastern Europe from extermination by hunger and disease.”

        New York Times, May 5, 1920, p. 19: “Six million starving, fever-stricken sufferers in war-torn Europe appeal to us.”

        New York Times, May 3, 1920, p. 11: “Your help is needed to save the lives of six million people in Eastern and Central Europe.”

        New York Times, May 2, 1920, p. 1: “…Six million human beings, without food, shelter, clothing or medical treatment.”

        New York Times, May 1, 1920, p. 8: “But the lives of 6,000,000 human beings are waiting for an answer.”

        New York Times, Dec. 3, 1919, p. 19: “nothing on earth except a miracle can prevent the death by freezing and starvation of from 5,000,000 to 10,000,000 people in Europe and the Middle East this winter. …atrocious Jewish massacre.”

        New York Times, Nov. 12, 1919, p. 7: “…tragically unbelievable poverty, starvation and disease about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth. …a million children and five million parents and elders.

        New York Times, Sept. 29, 1919, p. 7: “tragically unbelievable poverty, starvation and disease… about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth.”

        New York Times, Aug. 10, 1917: “Germans Let Jews Die. Women and Children in Warsaw Starving to Death… Jewish mothers, mothers of mercy, feel happy to see their nursing babies die; at least they are through with their suffering.”

        New York Times, Jan. 14, 1915, p. 3: “In the world today there are about 13,000,000 Jews, of whom more than 6,000,000 are in the heart of the war zone; Jews whose lives are at stake and who today are subjected to every manner of suffering and sorrow […].”

        But let us go one step further back in time. In 1900, Rabbi Stephen Wise made the following statement before Jewish welfare organizations in the USA: “there are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism.”

  20. Don says:

    thank god that’s satire. I was quite disturbed.

  21. orion14 says:

    “alot of brave canadians fought in world war 2 against the likes of you…..and you make a mockery of that” – Psyn

    Yeah, look at Canada now. A multracial cesspool full of “human rights” tribunals that can have you thrown in jail for saying something a jew doesn’t like. Books that you aren’t allowed to read. I could go on and on.

    Yep, those brave canadians fought for all that. I’m willing to bet if they could come back and see what they did, they would be turning their guns on the likes of you instead, eh?

  22. orion14 says:

    “Come to think of it though, that sounds kind of familar to what can be found on sites such as yours, where jews are seen as being evil just because they are jews.
    It looks like you have found your mirror image, not too pretty is it?”

    Oh but you’re wrong, Psyn. You see, the germans have good genes, because they allowed you jews to live among them for centuries, and set you free from your ghettos and allowed you to participate in German society. Would jews do that in their own country?

    They also have paid out billions in payments for your supposed collective “suffering” and have basically propped up that litterbox of a country with advanced Aryan weapons, all because of guilt, which implies a conscience.

    Now, would the jews do that for the Palestinians? Would they pay out to atone for all their murder, torture, and land stealing? Will the jews ever atone for the Ukrainians, or the Latvians, or the Poles? Would they hunt down jewish murdererers like Solomon Morel and bring them to justice?

    We all know the answer to that now, don’t we? The reflection in the mirror isn’t very pretty, is it?

    So you see, the theory of “good genes – bad genes” still holds, you just got it ass backwards, as always.

  23. Greg Bacon says:

    . On the off chance that some “uncommitted” individual might find his way here, I think there’s a good chance that he would quickly realize how hateful most of you are. This does not help your “cause”

    How many people on this site have shot pregnant mothers in the stomach?

    How many have shot kids in the head?

    How many have dropped White Phosphorous on civilians?

    How many have herded women and children into a building, saying it was for their safety, then proceeded to shell that buildng and shooting anyone who tried to escape?

    How many have gone into a zoo and shot the animals at point blank range?

    How many have attacked a US Navy ship with napalm, bombs, rockets and cannon fire and then machine gunned survivors trying to escape?

    NONE I’d bet, except the buddies of Canadian.

    Israel is an entire nation of crazy fucks, armed to the teeth that listens to voices in their heads, and claims those voices are from their “god.”
    And their “god” says to steal, murder and lie about it, as long as those crimes are committed against us GOY.

  24. Randall says:

    What Greg said just kind fucks all this Jewish bickering and trying to complicate
    the point.
    Talk all the “nazi” bullshit they want; that’s their MO from the start.
    But none of that matters.
    It’s simple. To Canadian, I’m an anti semite. Doesn’t matter if what we said is true or not. You’re an anti semite to speak the truth. Doesn’t matter if you have Jewish friends who agree with you: you’re an anti semite if you tell the truth.
    Noticing evil horrendous Jewish crime is anti Semitic.
    So, it seems that the word only has any real meaning to a Jew, or brain dead
    pc addled minds.
    The word has no weight behind it. It’s used as a slur period. It means only
    that you do not belong to the crime network. It is a thing to be proud of, not shunned. Hey, I’m glad I’m an anti semite. Jesus told the truth about them
    too, so anti semites are in pretty good company. Antisemitism means
    opposing evil by one group of people and pointing it out. I say:
    SO WHAT? You say it like it’s a BAD thing.

  25. American says:

    Both Greg and Randall get it, it’s subversive JEWS that decide to look the other way because it’s to their benefit….truly sick. It’s coming to and end, and I think the fury they are creating won’t just allow them to step back slowly. Nope, they are “all-in”, and with the most terrible hand possible…nothing but a bluff. The repercussions might see the end of this false “religion” called Judaism.

    I am more focused, motivated, and project oriented than ever before. I owe this step up to all the fine projects I’ve visited, and am now working on something in collaboration of a few of the recognized site owners we all know. As a result, I won’t hog up so much of IncogMan’s bandwidth, but it is not for lack of interest, rather I must be most effective with my resources (time mostly). Thanks to ALL, and I’ll be checking in for brief visits still, but full steam ahead on this end. 🙂

  26. Nemesys says:

    Randall – the ony problem I have with the word (slur) “Anti-Semite” is that fact that the vast majority of Jews are not Semites. They are Turcic,

    And it IS simple. Jews. Behold the rotten fruits of their actions. Jews. ANY one that allows them in invites their own destruction. Is there ONE example, in hisotry, where Jews are NOT 100% toxiic to their host? ONE?

    American – best in your endeavors. Keep us posted, m’ dear!

  27. Moishe Schlomo father says:


    Looks like you are in big shit.
    You just posted a video that mentions that the pope should say “6 million were murdered” in WWII
    Incogman, what the fuck is goin on in this blog, Nemesys is anti revisionist, I guess she is one of those Saayanim………….

  28. Steve in TN says:

    What that world was that horsehockey??? The vid gospel according to Ramsey Paul. No doubt found in II Illusions, verse… ? That really cracked me up. He doesn’t know jacksquat. Other than he has a warped mind like ‘Canadian’ and ‘Pysn’ that just can’t grasp reality and facts even when you present them from a credible source. They just ignore it and turn around and say it’s just lies, bah, blah, blah, without offering a smidgen of proof from reliable unbiased source. They call the the night day and will tell you 2+2=32. Crackpots.

  29. Steve in TN says:

    Ok Nem

  30. Moishe Schlomo father says:

    Oh American

    Please don’t leave………….. this will drop our rate of hits for at list 27%, and what about the intellectual level that will drop at list 35% …………
    You can’t do it to us “whites”, where is the commitment, where is your white patriotism, where is the hate for the Jews……….. Incogman, you can’t just let him go, give him an offer he cannot refuse………….he was our last hope………………..

  31. Steve in TN says:

    It just sounded like the rest of jewtalk hogwash. Surely it is so unbelievable it has to be satire.

  32. Don says:

    Moishe Schlomo father, are you a satirist?

    “and what about the intellectual level that will drop at list 35% …………”

    that was kinda funny.

  33. Nemesys says:

    Steve – I know for a fact that Ramsey is being satiric, in order to get past censors. He’s making FUN of the Sacred 6 Million Jews Up in Smoke. There IS NO book, in the Bible, called Second Illusions (as a Christian, I thought that was the funniest little detail)

    Tell Incogman to send you my real Email addy. I don’t want to post is here. Or, if you are on SF, PM me. Or Ill write to Orion14, tell him what I know for a fact, and he can vouch for me.

    This guy is pretty popular, and he pulls lots of pranks. I thought this was hilarious, and I am SO bummed that you guys are taking it the wrong way.

  34. anarchore says:

    Please don’t leave………….. this will drop our rate of hits for at list 27%, and what about the intellectual level that will drop at list 35% …………
    You can’t do it to us “whites”, where is the commitment, where is your white patriotism, where is the hate for the Jews……….. Incogman, you can’t just let him go, give him an offer he cannot refuse………….he was our last hope………………..

    What’s with the White Nationalists suddenly being so friendly with ‘race traitors’ anyway? And why post that he has a Spanish wife in one forum, and keeping it coy here? Seems like things aren’t that simple after all? Maybe some people need to mellow their hardline thinking, just a little?

    • incogman says:

      What’s with the White Nationalists suddenly being so friendly with ‘race traitors’ anyway? And why post that he has a Spanish wife in one forum, and keeping it coy here? Seems like things aren’t that simple after all? Maybe some people need to mellow their hardline thinking, just a little?

      What are you referring to, anarchore? Curt Maynard? I’ve never been coy about that. In fact, I stuck up for him here when Apollo made a stink about him having a hispanic wife (since divorced). Are you talking about me or that Jew you quoted? A Jew who’s obviously trying to stir up trouble with his “Nemesys is a sayan” biz.

  35. Moishe Schlomo father says:


    You gut to be kidding.

    This is serious stuff here, the world depends on this blog, as it’s the last hope for the “White” race.
    What “Satirist” are u talking about?

  36. anarchore says:

    Nope, someone else who posts here frequently, who is friendly with someone else here who says, “nothing matters but the survival of the white race”…

    Just pointing out that the world is chaotic, things overlap, and relationships are complex, intertwined and co-dependent.

    I am wondering how the thought process that tars all Judaic progeny with the same brush, and professes 14 Words ideology, would then look the other way on another thing.

    I don’t condemn him for it, I believe in total freedom of association – though it is not preferable, with the declining birth rate of European stock. In the end lines blur, we see that our model of the world doesn’t hold a candle to everyday reality for most people.

    This new proto-fascist, anti-intellectualist movement against J-ws – is spearheaded by a number of sites that have sprung up recently that all seem to have some connection to Hufschmid.

    Surely the rhetoric is a bit much here sometimes! Let’s get real about the Jews.

    Face it, you are not going to extract the J-ws from society any more than the Mexicans or the Blacks. If it does happen, you can be sure that the blood-stained iron fist of state blackguards apparatus will be Wailing-and-Gnashing-of-Teeth-Land for whites as well.

    I am for countering political Zionism, that is the real beast, and declaring Isr-el a terrorist state and treating those who fund it and lobby for it -like those dodgy Chabad groups- appropriately will turn the tide surely.

    Getting the Isra-eli terrorist funders out of the media business is a great idea.

    Extreme statements like calling for mass deportation are just going to work against us getting to the real criminals, and are the strawman for the ADL when they “expose” this new iteration of the “antisemitism”.

  37. anarchore says:

    Also great fodder for ‘Hate Crimes Bill’ aficionados.

    • incogman says:

      They’re going to say “haters” no matter what we say. Why bother with dancing around the bull any longer? Just today they had another bullshit session about “the Palestinian problem” at the WH with that 9/11 insider Netanyahu. I’m sick of the crap! What? They’ve been saying the same shit now for decades. ENOUGH. The Jews keep doing what they do gradually so as to keep America in the dark. Most of them work as little disinfo agents for the host. Anarchore, your arguments are only good to use on the uninitiated, to create a fissure wide enough to let in the rest of the knowledge of what the Jews do to White people.

  38. American says:

    “Nope, someone else who posts here frequently, who is friendly with someone else here who says, “nothing matters but the survival of the white race”…-Anarchore

    Who? You’re not referring to me, for sure. My 40 years of experience has nothing to do with the last 3000 years of Goyim and Jews interactions, and they ALWAYS end the same. I do think JEWS will survive, barely, because they are also part of the cycle, existing to exploit bloated success=ideal host.

  39. American says:

    Ooooo, he’s making us guess!

  40. anarchore says:

    They will say haters, but if we want to wake up the Goyim, we can’t fit that mold, because like it or not most people are against anything that looks like racism, with the images of Holocaust constantly refreshed in their minds.

    The Judiac problem, the American problem, the world problem, at the core:

    Read that and you realize how large groups of people are led into mental slavery by psycho leaders.

  41. jvd-s says:

    “Political Ponerology” confused. Psychopath=Antisocial Personality Disorder see “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of the American Psychiatric Association” DSMIII is easiest to research/understand. DSMIV cut up into many pieces to be sold in parts. More money. No such thing as “Sociopath”, is a mental health political term based almost totally on “enviornment”. Blames society. Psychopaths are born not made. Despite enviornment will be abberant. Many degrees of abberation from slight to serial murder.

    Purpose of life-to reproduce. Survival of the fittest=competition=subjagation to include, at times, genocide. Successfull reproduction in chaos untenable-order is neccessary.

    Confuses “opportunist” with “psychopath/sociopath”. “Opportunist” not destructive toward himself, “psychopath” is invariably destructive toward himself-is the major difference between two. W. Bush an “opportunist”.

    All politicians in any system are “opportunists”. All,even those already wealthy, seek lifestyle, status, influence of priviledge. Interested in “representation” only to degree it will maintain or promote their status quo. Is basic reason for no term limits. Giving up control, priviledges is anathema.

    P.P. does not take Biology into account. Implies order, ie: values as sentimentality. Is not, is act of Evolutionary Biology.

    Survival of fittest=”demand transparency from opposition/all others. practise deception in subjective interest.”

  42. Nemesys says:

    I see the Shaitan is making all kinds of little insinuations. I did write to Orion last night, and told him what I told him. I’m posting anything here, “in public”. I trust him.

    Shaitan flatly states that we are not gonna get rid of Jews, or Mexicans, or Blacks, and we might as well deal with it all, and make accomodations. That it’s unrealistic to want to be free of those leeches.

    THEN Shaitan instructs us to “get the Israeli terrorist fundersour of the media”

    Uh huh.

    Errr…the Israeli terrorist funders ARE the media. An IMMEDIATE miraculous purge of all Non-Whites is a more probable.

    I exist to foment “RACISM” – racialism – in the 3D world. My tactics and tone vary, according to whoI am dealing with, but my fundamental message is the same. That’s Whites ARE a distinct, and precious people, have a right to live, an thrive, and that people are NOT all the same, underneath. That Whites must ACT to protect and preserve themselves. Their legacy, and their lives.

    People listen. I talk to Whites. I don’t care about non-Whites. I talk to Whites.

    I was in a training session, last week. I have a very charming, very bright, totally delusional pal. He’s a lovely young guy, funny as Hell. A young Dad. We sat together during training, for a couple of hours, and engaged in friendly, yet acerbic, bickering about healthcare, between the lectures. He wants the USA to socialize, and he wants socialized medicine. He does it out of he purest White intentions – he wats every-one to get an excellent level of care, regardless of income, etc. He wants all illegals legalized. He lives in Altrusitic Utopia World. I did something I don’t beleive I did. I asked him if he’s ever read any of the data on Race and IQ. His eyes widened, for a moment. I spoke rapidly, softly, and clearly. I told him that decades of research consistently PROVE that intelligence heritability is absolutely tied to Race. That the millions of Third Worlders, specifically Mestizos, pouring in are not genetically capable of doing what “Americans” have done. (He KNEW what I meant by “Americans”) That they don’t even read or write their own pidgen Spanish, let alone possess the capacity to learn English. That all the Thirdies will do is destroy the USA. He listened, eyes still open, and then said “That may be true, but we should still do it”……I like this guy. A lot. He, however, is more in love with his false morality, than reality. False doctrines are NOT kind, or truly moral. They are all about lies, and vanity. His destructive beliefs will hasten the end of the West, and himself. I only hope his children live. The only way they will be ABLE to live is to assimialte into the matrix – or fight it.

    They will hate him, and all his kind, if they fight. That hatred, I believe, wil trigger a Darwinian genetic change. I pray that the soley White trait of Out Group Altruism will be purges, for once and for all.

    Jews created and foment the insane fraud of Racial Egalitarianism. For every-one but themselves. of course. The “good Jew” is NOT my responsibility. Whites ARE.

    Whites still publicly spew that “I am not a racist” CRAP. Due to real world pressures to do so. But I see that more and more are beginning to desert from that insane and dangerously unstable demonic platform. The more minorities become the overwhelming, tyrannical power, the more healthy Whites are connecting with reality. I am here to help them along. Tel them it’s OK, and VERY healthy, to BE “racist”.I tel them why it’s good ot BE White, and that when Whites go, so goes Civilization. The really funny think about that last bit – EVERY-ONE KNOWS it’s TRUE.

    I am with you, American. History teaches us that ANY society that tolerates The Jew has written their own sentence of doom. There is not one example where Jews have improved the lives of their host, in the long run. It’s always chaos, slavery, and disaster. Always.

    If I am a sayanmin – then God help the Jews! They are SURELY doomed. That gave me my first real laugh of the day!

    Finally – I have yet to hear a single counter-argument – good, bad, or indifferent – to my bedrock premise that the ONLY thing that matter is the survival of the White Race. Please – some-one post an Anti-Thesis. I wait….but nothing ever appears/

  43. American says:

    Good morning Nem!

    So much for all this talk about Israel (just another distraction to bilk and manipulate):

    Moreover, according to Mearsheimer, since 2007, more Jews have left
    Israel than have come in. Some 700,000 to 1 million Israeli Jews
    live abroad, and a 2007 poll reportedly found that nearly one-half
    of all young people are considering leaving.

    I’m not surprised, now that JEWS made it their own prison.

  44. m says:

    I’d like to say that I confirm and stand with Nemesys on this. It’s satire. ramzpaul is a quality guy, a great father, and often holds the supporters of Jew Feminism accountable. Using satire, of course. I know a few forums he frequents and he’s a really smart guy.

  45. jvd-s says:

    “White Race”: There isn’t one. That’s the problem. Whites, western europeans, have never been united. White ethnic groups/tribes have always been at war with one another, always. During the 19th/20th century there was a large immigration of western europeans into the US which developed into an assimilation of sorts. This was totally defeated by the subsequent immigration of large numbers of nonwhites. Combine this with the corruption of opportunistic white politicians and you get what we now have.

  46. Don says:

    there has been no white race for the last 2,000 years, however there has been Christians. there was no Europe either, but there was a christendom, wherein the Jew was marginalized, and the turk and moor were kept out.

  47. jvd-s says:

    Protestants and Catholics murdered/tortured one another by the thousands in hundreds of years of religious wars. jew created christianity and as usual white people murdered one another over it. The issues were political as well as religious so wars would have occurred regardless.

    jew offered credit to european royalty and it drifted down to the population. jew enjoys its current economic success due to european royalty (er). er used “court jew” as bankers, financial advisers, collectors, etc.. er is just as bad as jew and is complicit with jew in virtually all things jew. er, as does jew, views the populace as livestock to be used as slaves.
    er and jew should go the same way.

  48. Don says:

    I don’t think protestants have much to do with it. Whites only started yielding their territory, opening borders, and experiencing population decline until after we allowed jews to organize and conspire against us, with the start of the World Zionist Organization and World Jewish congress in 1897.

  49. Nemesys says:

    M – thanks, and cool beans! I only know Ramsey from his little videos, which I think are hilarious. He seems like a dandy gent, and I think he’s absolutely brilliant.

  50. Don says:

    “jew created christianity and as usual white people murdered one another over it”

    Not the jews I’m talking about. The Khazar did not invent the stories in the new testament or bible. They converted to Judaism. The Christians in Christendom knew this, and the idea that the Ashkenazim wrote the bible is a post-modern fallacy. Its a lie the Jews conveniently never correct.

  51. jvd-s says:

    m,Nem,et al. I am unfamiliar with the Ramsey of which you write. However, a Texas bank robber named James Ramsey(white guy), serving 30 years at Alcatraz “The Rock”, was involved in an altercation with Al Capone, also serving “time” on ” the rock”. Capone broke into the prison haircut line. Ramsey told Capone to get back to the end of the line. Capone, in a belligerant tone, said to Ramsey “do you know who I am” . Ramsey, being of a somewhat violent nature, turned extremely red (he was fair complected) and extremely angry. He picked up a pair of the barbers sccissors put them to Capone’s throat and responded ” Yeah greaseball I know who you are and I’m gonna know who you were if you don’t get back to the end of that fuckin line. Capone went back to the end of the line.
    Just a little white history.

  52. jvd-s says:

    Yeah Don, you are right.

  53. Nemesys says:


    He was my pick.


    I watch that show.

    I LOVE American Idol.

    I don’t care.


  54. Nemesys says:

    JVDS – I think I’ll pass that prison story along to Ramsey. I think he’ll get a kick out of it.

  55. jvd-s says:

    A bit more white history. The killers who did the “St. Valentine’s Day Masscre” were white guys, Irish/German, who Capone used to do his “rubbing out”. They were known in gangster circles as the “American Boys”.

  56. orion14 says:

    OMG Nem, Kris Allen won?! OMG! I think I’m about to faint!! 🙂

  57. jvd-s says:

    No jews on the “hit squad”. Itwas the Egan’s rat’s (or some such name) formerly of St.Louis. One of them was Gus Winkler. It was planned (or so one story goes) by Fred Goetz aka Shotgun George, George Ziegler at his lodge in Wisconsin. Goetz graduated from the Un.of Ill. school of engineering in 1923. Moran’s gang had tried to “rub out” (1930’s white gangster jargon) Jack McGurn and Capone wanted to get rid of the competition. It was a huge mistake for Capone. Until then the press had painted him as a “good guy gangster”. The aftershocks were very bad for Al’s public image. Goetz was “rubbed out” in Cicero in 1934 for talking too much. The story goes that the autopsy showed that Goetz had a brain tumor. It could explain why a graduate engineer with a hobby of landscape gardening became a killer/robber/gangster.

  58. jvd-s says:

    The “Purple gang” was involved with Capone. All of them did business with one another and occassionally rubbed one another out. What a thrill from one day to the next. Nothing but thrill of anticipation and fun, fun ,fun all day long. Until the daylight ran out. Even then they had their pictures in the newspaper in the “rubbed out” position.

  59. Nemesys says:

    Orion – he did. Kris Allen did. It was really fun. Guy-liner was slated to win, but I think there were some pics of Big Gay Adam, that may hav proven too “interesting” for the general AI fan base.

    Regardless, Kris Allen is a Southern boy, and he’s terrific!

    I know I am silly, but I really enjoy AI. It’s so huge. It’a racial bellweather, too. Asians ALWAYS vote White. The Whites winners, and near-misses, are the BIG money makers for that show. Whitey is not down and out just yet.

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